Renovatio 21 in Italy speaks out on aborted fetal vaccines

Debi Vinnedge
December 6, 2017
Interview with Christiano Lugli,
Spokesperson of the Committees "Revovation 21", Italy
With Journalist from "Parents of N.O."
Reproduced with Permission
Children of God for Life

Cristiano Lugli, together with other Catholic parents worried about the cell lines of aborted fetuses. Stated Mr. Lugli, "Our association wants to defend Life as an unrepeatable and divine miracle, and defends Civilization as the earthly cradle of Life. We also support the research of Dr. Stefano Montanari and Dr. Antonietta Gatti, two scientists and researchers, the only ones in Italy to talk about the speech of aborted fetuses to produce vaccines."

Vaccines and aborted fetuses

Q: Mr. Cristiano Lugli, today you will speak as the spokesperson of the association "Renovatio 21". First of all, would you like to explain us who you are and what is your aim?

CL: We are a new Catholic association whose aim is to fight for life and civilization. Renovatio 21 defends Life as a unique and divine miracle and Civilization as the earthly cradle of Life. The abyss that lays open underneath humanity today is so wide that we believe that to "defend" is no longer enough: it's necessary to start "attacking" for Life and Civilization.

Rising life, end of life, artificial insemination, subversion of moral values, vaccinations and mass psycho-pharmacology: The Culture of Death - as John Paul II called it - is spreading everywhere. Necro-culture perverts the world, kills the innocent, exterminates man and his offspring. That's what's happening in this very same moment. We have given ourselves the mission - as much naive as inevitable - to become a barrier against that: some day, when we will have laid the foundations, we will be able to reverse forever this state of things.

Q: In Italy, a cruel law forcing parents to vaccinate their children with 10 obligatory vaccinations has been enforced. What's the reason for this decision and why do you question it?

CL: As it can be easily understood, this law is the excuse to wage another war on family: The State wants to supplant parents by undermining parental responsibility, that should be inviolable. The issue of vaccinations is tied to huge money interests, to business, but there's something worse: The aim to rise bodily and spiritually weak generations. Today there are many investigations demonstrating that the most part of vaccinations are useless, but what's most important is that there are possible adverse reactions to the vaccines.

It is not us who say that, but a huge number of scientists. In a great number of cases the parents have denounced serious consequences for their children. You Americans are debating on that, too. The very same President Donald Trump, during his electoral campaign, stated that 30 years ago one out of 10,000 children was autistic while today one out of 45 is. Trump said that there's a possible correlation between vaccines and autism: That's why he entrusted Robert F. Kennedy with the task to shed some light on this exponential increase. The majority of the children were healthy before the vaccination but then, after the first doses, they have changed and reached an irreversible situation. It is obvious that something is not working, don't you think so?

Q: Did this certainty arise only in Italy because of this law or is there a debate about it in other parts of the world?

CL: It's an open debate all over the world, although very often the pharmaceutical lobbies censure the investigations or try to discredit those who question the infallibility of the vaccines. The USA is with no doubt the country that's struggling most strongly to discover the truth: That's because - as we said above - it has been the very same Trump who took an interest on this. In Italy we have two internationally renowned scientists: Dr. Antonietta Gatti and Dr. Stefano Montanari, who analyzed a great number of vaccines at the microscope. They found that the majority of them is contaminated by toxic nanoparticles and adjuvants such as mercury and formaldehyde. In Italy they are strongly hindered, everyone tries to discredit them, but in the USA they are very renowned, so much that the very same Kennedy speaks about them in the terms that can be read here:

Yes, the USA can be really the country of change.

Q: When was your association born and why do you define the struggle against the vaccines a Catholic battle?

CL: Our association was born recently, after a period of reflection for a better understanding of the tactics to use. Today we have an official website:

The struggle is first of all and absolutely Catholic because the issue of vaccinations implies a serious moral problem; a great number of vaccines has been created using aborted fetuses' cell lines, that are still being abundantly used.

Today we know that there are five cell lines of aborted fetuses: MRC-5 (Medical Research Council 5), taken from the lung extracted from a 14 week gestation male fetus in 1970; WI-38 (Winstar Institute 38th specimen from 22 recorded abortions), also from lung extracted from a 3 month gestation female fetus aborted in 1964; HEK-293 - human embryonic kidney and the 293rd specimen - aborted in the 1970's age and gestation were not noted; PER C6 retinal tissue from a 3 months gestation female baby aborted in the 1980's in the Netherlands, while the last known line is WALVAX 2 , produced in China a few years ago. Some scientists claim without shame to have practiced the abortion on 9 women in order to choose the best and most useful fetus and create new cell lines that can be used for the vaccines: Healthy fetuses allow to obtain cells that reproduce themselves more easily and longer.

Q: That's really abominable. Could the USA have been involved in these facts?

CL: I can't state it with certainty, but surely the scandalous Planned Parenthood - actually an abortion machine used for scientific experiments - has collaborated in this horrible goal. Surely the commodification of these poor voluntarily - and sometimes forcedly - aborted babies has been functional for testing medicines, some of which were also vaccines. Exploiting dead fetuses in ways that are sometimes mysterious is a source of pharmaceutical business since the 1970s and most were dissected live. Just read what the website BioEdge - that is an authority in bioethical issues - reports: an article ( ) published on September 30th reveals that after 40 years a Scottish mother found that maybe his son - who died short after his birth - has been used for pharmaceutical experimentation. No comment… But we do know that the rubella virus, RA273 was from the USA. It was the 27th baby in a series of abortions where scientists were trying to find the live rubella virus. (R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th baby aborted, 3=3rd tissue explanted where they found the virus). There were ultimately over 70 abortions involved in the final production of the USA rubella vaccine. Also, in the USA, they prepared for possible instability and death of the MRC-5 and WI-38 cells and produced 2 more aborted fetal cell lines to replace them: IMR-90 and IMR-91. Like WALVAX 2 these cell lines are the same gestational age and lung tissue used as in WI-38 and MRC-5.

Q: Excuse me but, what does the Church says about all that? Did she ever express her views?

CL: In 2005 the Pontifical Academy for Life has spoken out on the issue of the aborted fetuses' cells contained in the vaccines with a document, stating that it's necessary to fight in order to obtain the production of vaccines without such cell lines, that could arise moral impediments for the Christians. This has never been done because - as we said - new cell lines already exist. Twelve year later, after the promulgation of the Italian law, made official this summer, the PAL has spoken out again through Mons. Vincenzo Paglia, telling the parents that they shouldn't worry about vaccinating their children because those abortion have been practiced so long ago that they cannot arise moral problems anymore. These are very serious statements for two reasons: 1) the passing of time doesn't reduce the importance of a moral problem; 2) even if it were so, the problem would still exist because new vaccines containing cell lines of new aborted babies have been experimented, and this is a huge impediment. The superficial way in which the Pontifical Academy for Life - whose task is to safeguard the raising life and the Catholics - spoke out is really appalling.

Q: Has the Pope been consulted about that?

CL: Maybe not directly, although every decision of the PAL necessarily undergoes his supervision. Recently Pope Francis strongly remarked the importance of vaccinations, but he overlooked the issue of the aborted fetuses used for the production of vaccines. The theological reason offered by the PAL in 2005 is the "cooperation with evil": it is possible not to be considered as "serious sin" because vaccine users are not cooperating firsthand with the abortion, and when it is used for a higher goal and for the safeguard of people. They believe that, since the vaccines help preventing epidemics, this cooperation with evil may be justified. But this is absurd! Furthermore, no epidemic is active, which makes every excuse in vain.

Anyway, I know that the Catholics all over the world, mainly in the United States , have launched a campaign of gathering of signatures through Children of God for Life which currently has over 635,000 signatures. Another one recently was started to ask the Pope to authorize conscientious objection against the vaccines. You can find it here:

Q: What will you do if this request for conscientious objection won't be accepted?

CL: Considering the Church's position on this point, we are sure that she won't pay heed to us, for no reason. However, having said that, we are also sure that we won't give up. Are we aware that many children have been killed in order to produce preventive medications? Innocent lives have been massacred and their organs have been sold to the pharmaceutical industry. Is there any parent who would collaborate in such crimes? Is there any parent who would let his three months old child be inoculated with a contaminated vaccine containing fragments of organ extracted from children killed by abortion? Just thinking about it should make us shiver. This should be an issue also for vegans, Muslims, Jews, because the vaccines also contain animal cells, in particular pig cells.

Q: Do you believe that we're talking about a new attack on the raising life?

CL: Yes, I do. And the worst part has still to come. Today it's the children who are the victims, but we will soon see how the obligation of vaccination will be extended to all the old people. Then the "sandwich effect" - that is, a gradual pressure from the two extremes until we'll arrive to total vaccination - will start.

Q: Who benefits from that?

CL: As we explained, there are strong economic interests, but whoever knows the modus operandi of those who want society to kill innocent lives is aware that this is not the main interest. Abortion was practiced (and it still happens) by the witches to pay homage to Satan. Now, in the case of vaccines, children are killed, organs are extracted and transported in refrigerators to the laboratories of pharmaceutical companies. But there's more: In some cases - some of which have been confirmed also by American tribunals - children died after the vaccination because of the Sudden Infant Death Sindrome (SIDS). In Italy there's a man, whose name is Giorgio Tremante, who lost two children because of the Sabin vaccine - that has been later retired from the market - against poliomyelitis. Two of his sons died, another one remained forever disabled. Mr. Tremante has been received several times by John Paul II, the only Pope who listened to his sad story and took it to heart. These deaths, too, are useful to come back to human sacrifice: abortion, IVF, euthanasia are no more enough for them: they want more people to die! There's no other way to explain this strong will to make obligatory so many vaccines that have not been tested on children. Children don't undergo any medical examination before the vaccination, they're not tested for allergies or to verify if their immune system is able to resist the vaccination. Nobody cares if a child is permanently damaged: They already know how to fix it…

Q: What do you mean…?

CL: A damaged or sick child who needs constant health care costs much money to the State: That's why they invented child euthanasia: They've already done it in Belgium. Sooner than later, this will be the destiny of the children more or less damaged by vaccinations. They have already decided the destiny of people with Down syndrome, too: For example, Island brags about being "Down free" because over the years, thanks to abortion campaigns, both the government and the health care system have been able to make all the mothers who were pregnant with children affected by the Down syndrome abort. That is what will be done in the case of damaged children: Just think about the case of little Charlie Gard, who moved everybody. Even President Trump intervened to save him, but he couldn't do anything because physicians and judges had decided that he should die, full stop! Sick children become a burden, then - following a eugenic idea very similar to Hitler's - are eliminated. The same happens with in vitro fertilization, because the fittest embryo is chosen and the other ones get killed or frozen, which is worse because they get trapped between life and death.

Q: What do you propose in order to fight this battle?

CL: In order to fight this battle, we need a lot of courage and dedication. Of course, we suggest all the Catholics and the people of good sense to consult the material on Children of God for Life and Life Site News about aborted fetuses' cell lines in the vaccines. Then there's another very important thing to do: Support true science, the one that isn't interested in making money but in truth. In Italy the scientists Gatti and Montanari engaged in huge investigation, as much as the French Nobel Medicine Prize Luc Montagnier. Gatti and Montanari, however, are forbidden to develop their research because they are considered thorny people. Starting from February 28th, 2018 they will be even forbidden to use the electronic microscope, a fundamental instrument to keep doing this great job. That's why the Associazione "Vita al Microscopio"( Association "Life at the microscope" : ), whose aim is to collect funds to buy a private microscope to the two scientists, was born. Here you can find - in English, too - all the information about the ways you may help this simple but great undertaking, for the total defense of life, children and family.

Let's really hope that also in the USA the parents and all your readers take this thing to heart, for the sake of our children, no one excluded!

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The original statement from the Pontifical Academy for Life can be found here:

Notably, as to parents using the vaccines, the PAFL stated:

"Therefore, doctors and fathers of families have a duty to take recourse to alternative vaccines (if they exist), putting pressure on the political authorities and health systems so that other vaccines without moral problems become available. They should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.

As regards the diseases against which there are no alternative vaccines which are available and ethically acceptable, it is right to abstain from using these vaccines if it can be done without causing children, and indirectly the population as a whole, to undergo significant risks to their health. However, if the latter are exposed to considerable dangers to their health, vaccines with moral problems pertaining to them may also be used on a temporary basis. The moral reason is that the duty to avoid passive material cooperation is not obligatory if there is grave inconvenience. Moreover, we find, in such a case, a proportional reason, in order to accept the use of these vaccines in the presence of the danger of favouring the spread of the pathological agent, due to the lack of vaccination of children. This is particularly true in the case of vaccination against German measles."